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Toxic Productivity: A new strain of workaholism

Erika Katherine Ferszt • Oct 19, 2021

If you’ve never heard of toxic productivity, don’t be alarmed. It is a phenomenon that emerged as a result of the unique dynamics happening during the pandemic. Here's what you need to know:

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We’ve all heard about workaholism and overachieving, but those have always been connected with the workplace. What happens when a workaholic can’t go to work? What happens when an overachiever is confined to the home? Perhaps a compulsive search of things to fix in the house. Endless online courses or lesson plans for skilling up. Exercise programs and a daily self-help routine. Anything that would allow them to keep on achieving. This was the discovery that was uncovered over the last two years.  When you take the work out of workaholic, a whole other layer of behavioral addiction is revealed. It’s called toxic productivity.

What is toxic productivity?

The short answer to this is that it is an inability to not be productive. Everything is looked at in terms of goal attainment or achievement. Every activity is approached as “What’s the point of this? What will I achieve? Why am I doing this?”. For example, the idea of going for a walk in the afternoon might be met with a “Why?” A toxically productive person (TPP)  may ask questions of “Where are we going?” or “Who are we meeting?”. Until the person realizes, “Hey, I can get in my steps for the day.” Only then the walk makes sense to them. There’s no such thing as just taking a walk.

There is also some evidence that productivity may be used as an emotional response, similar to the way one might smoke a cigarette when stressed or drink at the end of a bad day. Productivity helps calm and neutralize unwanted moods, thoughts, or emotions.  Productivity becomes a coping mechanism to deal with the proverbial demons that can pop up when stillness or silence falls.

The more complex answer is that it’s a protection and safety mechanism that becomes a compulsion, which develops into an addiction and can solidify into a personality. Toxic productivity has an element of control about it. With a cognitive thought equation that works out to “if I do more and if I achieve more then I’ll be safe or “‘they’ will love me”. You may find that it’s more common in people who had difficult childhoods, who were raised in poverty, whose day-to-day life was unpredictable, or who had excessive amounts of responsibility and expectations placed on them at an early age. You can also find it in children who were told from an early age that they HAD to be special, that they were unique, different, and better than others. It’s people who equate doing more with surviving better to the point that relaxation, and not being productive, almost feels risky or dangerous. It feels like failing. So Toxic Productivity is really the evil love child of Workaholism and Overachieving.

The even more complex answer is that Toxic Productivity involves some of the key systems in the body and the brain, blending into a perfect storm of publicly celebrated, and encouraged compulsive behavioral addictions. I mention above the fear response. At some point in their lives, frequently during the foundational years,  a TPP will have experienced a situation of fear that led them to conclude that if they could just (make enough money, keep busy, win at everything, show the world they’re worthy, etc.) then they would feel safe and loved. Therefore achievement to their brains is fundamental to their basic human needs. (See image 1). If we add to this that every time we accomplish something - even something small - our body gives us a little hit of dopamine. Dopamine is our feel-good neurotransmitter. You will find the dopamine system at the center of most addictive behaviors. Some people overeat to get that feeling of safety and the dopamine high. Some take illegal substances. Productivity involves similar mechanisms.

To understand how dopamine works, Dr. Daniel Lieberman, professor and vice chair for clinical affairs in the department of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at George Washington University, said in a 2019 American Psychological Association podcast “I think perhaps the broadest way to describe dopamine is that it's designed to maximize future resources, and we can see that working in ourselves when we're constantly focused on the future, I need more. I'm not satisfied. I'm not a good enough person rather than just kind of taking a deep breath and saying wow, look at all the wonderful things I have, the good things I've done. I'm grateful for them. Dopamine doesn't want us to do that. It wants to keep us constantly on the run.” So this is what constantly pushes us for more. More food, more sex, more drugs…more productivity. He continues:


“There are certain behaviors that caused dopamine release that also can get out of control….It can make us obsessed with our work and take us away from having a personal life. And, of course, a work-life balance is very important, and dopamine can ruin that balance. But, it can also prevent us from getting satisfaction from what we're working for so hard. It's never enough. I saw a patient today who an incredibly successful real estate developer is, and he has more money than he will ever be able to spend and through his life, he's achieved higher and higher and higher levels. But, every time he takes a step, he starts comparing himself to the person at the higher level. And his self-esteem is terrible, despite all of his achievements. In spite of having a wonderful family, he constantly sees himself as a failure because he's always looking for what he has not yet achieved. And then that's a pathological behavior of dopamine.”

Add to this that with productivity there is NONE of the public judgment or shame that we might find in any other behavioral addiction. Quite the opposite. Achievement and productivity are actively encouraged by our workplaces and our society. It would be the equivalent of living in a culture that rewarded you for excessive drug use. We encourage people to do more, be more, have more. This means that at no point, particularly to people who are sensitive to the addictive nature of productivity, does a TPP person believe that what they are doing is unhealthy.

These three aspects blended together build a kind of perfect storm for personalities that might be at greater risk of developing an addiction to toxic productivity.

Are there people who can be more prone to be toxically productive?:
In a study published in Norway on workaholism, the research suggested that people with caretaker responsibilities of children living at home were more likely to be affected than those without children. The same study also suggested that workaholics tend to score higher on three of the five-factor personality traits:
   •   Agreeableness (personalities that are compliant, altruistic, and modest)
   •   Neuroticism (personalities that are impulsive, hostile, and nervous)
   •   Intellect/imagination (personalities that are open for new impulses, action-oriented and inventive)
Essentially people who have high needs for external valid
ation or an inability to be still, coming from any variety of root causes, tend to be more susceptible to falling into the trap of toxic productivity.

Why do you think we have seen the rise of toxic productivity recently? What impact do you think the pandemic has on it?
First and foremost for the unique set of circumstances in which we found ourselves recently. Workaholism is nothing new and we’re familiar with it as a concept. We’ve all had that friend, or parent, who loved to pull late nights in the office and it was difficult to get face time with them. When we removed the office as a destination and life was confined to four walls - whether alone or with our family - an urgent need had to be filled. In chemical addictions when a drug addict can’t obtain their drug of choice they move on to substitutes that provide the same high. If a TPP can’t go to work and travel or be constantly on the move, they can transfer that energy to something else that will give them the same sense of accomplishment that they had before.

While some may be alarmed at the idea of productivity being referred to in the same context as an addiction, I’d like to bring up another passage from Dr. Daniel Liberman:

“Really dopamine is the essence of addiction…There are different dopamine tracks in the brain, and depending on which one is particularly active, we can see different manifestations of this obsession with the future. So, for example, there is a track called Amis Olympic track, which we in the book called the desire pathway. And if you've got a very strong desire pathway, you're going to be a risk of becoming addicted to drugs. You're going to be constantly pursuing pleasure. That's where you're going to get your more, more, more. There's another pathway, though, that goes up to the frontal lobes. We call that the control pathway as opposed to the desire pathway, which is more immediate gratification. This plans for longer-term gain, and so, people with very strong control systems, are going to be more the type-A workaholics. They can't relax. They work incredibly hard. They're the kind of people who can afford beach houses but can't enjoy them. The last thing they're going to be able to do is sit on the beach, soaking up the sun.”

Going back to “Why today?”, where things get even more challenging in today’s world is the principal role that technology and social media play in our lives. The current technological landscape lends to the perfect storm that I describe above. As mentioned, when we accomplish anything - ticking off things on our to-do list, getting a like on Instagram - we get a hit of dopamine from our bodies. Our brain has two settings. Move towards things that we like and avoid things that we don’t like. The dopamine hit, as we’ve discussed, reinforces feel-good behaviors.

Once upon a time, in society, we had three domains; work, family, friends. We tried to find physical time to balance those three out. Today, on top of the real-life domains, we also have the digital world and its “always-on“ mentality. Now you have to be active on Facebook, Instagram, Tik Tok, Pinterest, LinkedIn, Google, Amazon, etc. These are all new domains and a constant flood of stimuli to the brain. For someone who has a psychological need to do well and do more, this is a buffet of new opportunities. Life becomes an endless list of things you have to be good at and things you “have to do”. What can end up happening is that the TPP starts to overstretch themselves and can eventually crash and burn. I think the plethora of early age burnouts that we’re seeing right now is a symptom of both the hustle-culture but also social media.

Regarding the pandemic, as I mentioned above toxic productivity can also be a protection behavior. Someone who uses productivity to feel safe will have this mechanism heightened exponentially when they find themselves in an actual situation of danger. Even more so when the situation of danger takes away all of your usual outlets of productivity. There may have been two reactions of this personality type in lockdown. The first reaction may have been shock, feeling like the ground has dropped out. This could have caused a sense of trauma, depression, or extreme anxiety. The likely response would then have been to start looking everywhere within the home for something to do. These people maybe took cooking classes, learned a new language, read 50 books, or other “extremist” productivity sports. We might ask, well what’s the problem with that? These seem like relatively healthy forms of self-improvement. And while the “what” may not be the issue, it’s the “why” they’re doing it that is dysfunctional. This can also put pressure on friends and family who may not deal with fear in the same way. If you have a toxic producer in the same house as someone who shuts down in the face of fear, they are likely going to be involved in an intricate dance of mutual triggering.

What are some consequences of toxic productivity?
Again the majority of data that we have available refers to workaholism, as there has been no research formally done on toxic productivity. However, the behavioral foundations are the same and so we can look to the existing research for clues.

The symptoms are pretty similar to what we can see in other addictions, including the effects on mood, tolerance, and withdrawal. People who meet qualifications for workaholism often experience stress more severely than others, leading to an increase in stress-related symptoms, both physical and psychological. Insomnia, sleep problems, difficulty waking up and fatigue can also be seen in TPP which may stem from a form of adrenal fatigue due to the body being on consistent overdrive.

Research also shows that workaholics report conflicts related to work-family life and can suffer from poorer functioning outside of work than people who are not workaholics. Finally, much research shows that workaholism correlates with lower levels of well-being, a sense of being healthy and happy, and work performance.

Could you tell me about Moodally? How does it work? How does it tackle issues around toxic productivity?
Moodally is a tool to help you manage your mood in real-time using creative materials designed according to scientifically verified techniques. Moodally was born out of my personal experience. I am a recovering toxic producer and had a burnout episode in 2015, which left me with stress-related vision loss in one eye, which was the catalyst for Moodally. While I was studying stress in my post-graduate program in the Neuroscience of Mental Health, I discovered so much incredible information about what our brain needs to manage stress, be productive, and feel good.

Mood is at the core of our daily experience; how we see life, and the possibilities it holds for us. If you are stressed, everything you experience is colored by that mood. We may not realize it but toxic productivity can keep our body in a constant state of stress. This is what makes it so hard to relax. The sensation of stress becomes our go-to state. This not only has devastating effects on our body, what’s not commonly known is that while we’re stressed we perform worse. We make more mistakes, our problem-solving skills are impaired, and our interpersonal abilities are challenged. The irony is that being in a heightened state of stress from toxic productivity can make us less productive.

The issue is that it’s very hard to know how to relax if you’re not used to it and not all the relaxation tools on the market are welcome to the general public. In my research on stress, I uncovered a scientific technique called Mood Induction that uses creative materials, without all the woo-woo, to help people shift their moods on demand. It’s been used in clinical research for over 50 years. Science has never been able to bring mood induction to market because they’re scientists and researchers. Mood induction requires experience and excellence in creative development and production to make it happen. My combination of experiences made me uniquely qualified to see the opportunity to improve people’s lives at work by bringing mood induction into the workplace. Thanks to the way our brain works, engaging with these materials over time can help improve our ability to emotionally self-regulate, which can contribute to an increased sense of well-being and improved performance.

What tips would you give to help avoid toxic productivity?
The keyword is balance. The body was not designed to stay in any one state for too long. It needs balance. If we don’t give the body balance it will adjust itself and this can have long-term effects. There is some scientific literature that suggests that in select cases the body may induce a state of depression as an attempt to balance out the anxiety. So it’s important to begin to read signals of when we’re spiraling out and take steps to balance those out. I force myself, throughout the day, to walk away from the computer and go for a walk, take a shower, take a nap, jump on the trampoline….just do anything that doesn’t need to be done.

The important thing is to create a different relationship and mental association with relaxation or objective-free activities. The person may feel fear, guilt, or even shame for not doing something productive. The most healthy option is to get professional health to understand what motor is driving the behavior, however, that may not be the preferred option. So we look at some short-term hacks that can potentially lead to a knock-on effect. First, we make a list of all the things that we’d like to do in our life if time/money/distance/Covid wasn’t an issue: travel to Thailand, swim in the Meditteranean, roller skate in the mountains, bake bread in Italy..whatever. This helps the person dig into their personal pleasure trove. A lot of times we don’t relax because we don’t know what to do. When we have a list of things that we love we have some starting points. Then we schedule a time to just “touch” these things. Maybe we watch a video on YouTube about grandmothers baking bread in Italy. Maybe we find a recipe we’d like to try. Maybe we look into cooking classes in Tuscany. What the process of just being around the idea does is increase the amount of energy that we focus on things we like. Not things we have to do….things we like to do. Frequently toxically productive people are so focused on what they have to do that they’ve completely forgotten what they like to do. Investing energy in that discovery will start to awaken an internal voice that reminds us “Hey, you remember me?”


What tips would you give to protect our mental health against toxic productivity?

As I mentioned above since our need for toxic productivity is connected to something deeper, it’s important to understand WHY we do what we do. Why do we think we don’t deserve time off? Why do we think that the world will stop if we’re not busy? What are we afraid of when there isn’t constant noise all the time? Why does this define us? Rarely do toxically productive people see it as an issue. The culture we live in loves toxically productive employees. You know you can call them at any hour of any day and they will respond. This makes it very hard for them to make changes because the behavior is celebrated. So some work needs to be done on a cultural level - stopping glorifying the unbridled pursuit of success and celebrating the value of a balanced, healthy life.

We must be very clear on the type of life we want to live and are willing to put the boundaries in place to defend that. No one likes to hear the word “no”, not our bosses, not our families, not our friends, not our institutions. But sometimes no is the one word you need to say to protect your well-being. We must understand that our well-being, mental and physical, is first and foremost our job. If we’re not healthy it won’t matter how productive we’ve been. I think that the one benefit of the pandemic is the fact that well-being and mental health - in its non-clinical form - are taking center stage. People are starting to be aware of the fact that there’s an issue and it demands change. Realizing there’s a problem is the absolute first necessary step to solving it. So I’m optimistic.

If you are dealing with someone who has this behavior, any attempt to change them will be met with pure resistance. As stated above, if the person doesn’t perceive their behavior to be damaging, any person suggesting it is will be considered aggressive, ignorant, jealous, or unsupportive. For the person to arrive at their own conclusions there is a technique called Motivational Interviewing. This process digs into the why’s behind the behavior. The intention is to bring the TPP to their realization that the behavior is extreme and that there is room for more healthy options.

On a more clinical side, cognitive behavioral therapy is the gold star in dealing with behavioral addictions. The most common thought patterns that we can see in TPP are “I must finish this myself, as no one else does it right”, “If I’m not working, then I’m lazy”, “I can’t take a break, things will fall apart”, “I would take a break if I could, but there’s too much to be done.”.

Interestingly in recent years, science has been rewriting its position on workaholism by making “engagement” a key modifier. Meaning that if you work a lot and don’t enjoy it then it’s bad but if you work a lot and do enjoy it it’s not so bad. This may be one of the roots of where the encouragement of the hustle culture is born. Yet as someone who can speak from personal experience, I loved my job and had no problem putting in 16-18 hours a day. That didn’t keep me out of the hospital though. This is one of the things that we seem to forget when we discuss burnout. It’s not only a psychological occurrence, there are physical health problems that develop in your body whether you love your job or not. So while psychologists may like to make a distinction between un-enjoyed workaholism and “engaged” workaholism, your body doesn’t necessarily care. Very much in the same way that drinking 2 bottles of wine because you’re depressed will bring about the same hangover symptoms that drinking 2 bottles of wine to celebrate will. This is one of those rare cases where the context doesn’t change the facts.


Article sources for more information:

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“The Prevalence of Workaholism: A Survey Study in a Nationally Representative Sample of Norwegian Employees” by Cecilie Schou Andreassen, Mark D. Griffiths, Jørn Hetland, Luca Kravina, Fredrik Jensen, and Ståle Pallesen in PLOS ONE,August 13 2014 2014 doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0102446

Atroszko, P. A., Demetrovics, Z., & Griffiths, M. D. (2019). Beyond the myths about work addiction: Toward a consensus on definition and trajectories for future studies on problematic overworking, Journal of Behavioral Addictions, 8(1), 7-15. Retrieved Oct 16, 2021, from https://akjournals.com/view/journals/2006/8/1/article-p7.xml

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APA Speaking of Psychology Podcast: The Molecule of More: Dopamine, Episode 76, Daniel Z. Lieberman, MD, and Michael E. Long


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By Erika Katherine Ferszt 02 Feb, 2022
Millions of Americans are returning back to work after being home during the pandemic. While this has been exciting for many, some are feeling burned out by their work. What do you do if you are feeling burned out by your work? How do you reverse it? How can you “get your mojo back”? What can employers do to help their staff reverse burnout? In this interview series called “Beating Burnout: 5 Things You Should Do If You Are Experiencing Work Burnout,” we are talking to successful business leaders, HR leaders, and mental health leaders who can share insights from their experience about how we can “Beat Burnout.”. As a part of this series, I had the pleasure of interviewing Erika Ferszt. Erika Ferszt is the founder of Moodally, helping organizations and employees turn mood into a competitive advantage by improving well-being, performance, and EI skills. After having suffered a stress-related vision loss burnout incident in 2015, that forced her to leave her role as Global Advertising, Media & Digital Director at Ray-Ban, Erika returned to school to study the effects of stress on the mind, body & brain. She completed a Post-Graduate program in the Neuroscience of Mental Health and an MSc in Organizational Psychology. Erika is singularly focused on creating better workplaces, one mood at a time through guest speaking, employee training/coaching, and her own ground-breaking app that helps employees shift their moods in real-time. Thank you so much for joining us in this interview series! Before we dive into the main focus of our interview, our readers would love to “get to know you” a bit better. Can you tell us a bit about your childhood backstory? I grew up in New York City in the 1980s in a rather off-beat family. We lived in the East Village, which, at the time, was an artistic, but “grungy” neighborhood. We were a long way away from the more gentrified version you might see today. I spent my days, however, on Park Avenue where I had the tremendous fortune to go to Dalton, a fantastic school on the Upper East Side. Having such stark realities between my days and nights taught me to see situations from multiple perspectives. Living in New York, in that particular context, taught me independence, resilience and gave me a Ph.D. in street smarts. My childhood was very unusual, but certainly provided me with many of the skills that I need and use every day What or who inspired you to pursue your career? We’d love to hear the story. I’ve been incredibly fortunate to have many guardian angels along my career path; there hasn’t been one single person, but rather a team of people. I’ve had a major career pivot in the last few years, however, and there was a very specific incident that convinced me to pursue my current path. I had the opportunity to collaborate with Matt Irwin, a fantastic fashion/culture photographer, while I was at Ray-Ban. We became instant friends the day we met. He was an incredibly sweet soul who struggled to find his place in the world, in fashion, and in his own body. Unfortunately, in 2016 Matt took his own life, after battling with depression for many years. He left a final letter and there were a couple of sentences in there that just grabbed me and shook me awake. His words convinced me to spend my time, energy, and talent on helping people get a better grip on their human experience. I went back to school the next year and it put me on the path I’m on now. None of us can achieve success without some help along the way. Was there a particular person who you feel gave you the most help or encouragement to be who you are today? Can you share a story about that? As I mentioned I’ve had so many people be the person I need when I needed them that it would be unfair to single anyone out. I can say, though, that sometimes you find the encouragement you need in opposition. I had a friend who absolutely meant well but was worried for me as I was changing professional paths. I had been very successful in advertising/communications and they were concerned for my financial well-being as I worked towards a more entrepreneurial path. They were frequently calling me, warning me of what was ahead, reminding me of the greatness that I was leaving behind, and generally trying to discourage me from taking the step I was taking. To this day they’re still not particularly supportive, even though they mean well. However, I find that their not believing in what I am doing gives me an extra pinch of motivation and conviction that I need on those off days. Can you share the funniest or most interesting mistake that occurred to you in the course of your career? What lesson or takeaway did you learn from that? This story isn’t a career mistake, but it is directly related to burnout so I thought it would be funny and appropriate. This was many years ago when I was still running advertising at Ray-Ban. It was probably at the peak of my busyness, and I was constantly trying to make my life as efficient as possible. My daughter was very young so I was condensing my travel as much as I could and limiting my personal free time so that I could be available to be with her. If I saw a shirt, pants, shoes, etc. that I liked I would frequently just buy the item in a couple of colors, so I didn’t have to spend too much time shopping or thinking about clothes. I had just come back from one of my whirlwind business trips, where I did 3 countries in APAC in 3 days, round trip, I was exhausted and horribly jetlagged. I had a weekend to recover before leaving again to shoot in LA. My flight was leaving very early in the morning, so I left my clothes out so as not to bother my husband or daughter while getting ready. But I realized that I had forgotten to leave out my shoes. I tiptoed into the bedroom where my husband was sleeping and — in the pitch dark — grabbed a pair of knee-high boots and headed out the door. It was 5AM so it was pitch dark everywhere. I get to the airport and I check-in and the woman asks me to load my luggage and as I look down I realize that I’ve got one brown boot and one black boot on. They were the same model, but two different colors. After laughing most of the 11-hour flight to LA, it made me start to wonder if my lifestyle wasn’t starting to get a bit over the top and perhaps some changes needed to be made. Although…that didn’t happen until much later when I had no choice but to make changes. Can you share your favorite “Life Lesson Quote”? Why does that resonate with you so much? I have a bunch that I resonate with differently in different periods of my life. One saying that I absolutely love right now is “What’s yours will find you.” I think sometimes we — especially me — can obsess about making things happen for ourselves. We push and push and if we don’t get the results we get mad, we get more determined, we get anxious…I’ve spent so many days of my life trying to make things happen that I realized, months or years later, weren’t really right for me. Sometimes life doesn’t give you what you want because it isn’t good for you. So I love the idea that what’s yours will find you because it lets me set intentions, goals, and objectives but it also allows me to let go of things when I need to and trust that I’m always exactly where I am supposed to be. What are some of the most interesting or exciting projects you are working on now? How do you think that might help people? I’ve actually been working quite a bit with a gigantic bank, which has been a wonderful surprise. It didn’t surprise me that this bank would hire me, because they are very forward-thinking and really have excellence as a mission, so they actively seek out new and innovative solutions. What surprised me was the response that I get from the people who participate in my talks, use my app, or read my articles, because so much of the great feedback that I get comes from men. Women, statistically speaking, tend to be more open about seeking solutions to emotion-based challenges, like stress or bad moods. There’s a ton of evidence that men are equally affected, if not more so, by stress and dealing with the fallout from their moods, but they are less open to seeking assistance. A lot of it comes from social conditioning around how men are supposed to act and behave in the world, but some of it is also that there aren’t a lot of solutions that keep men in mind when they’re being designed. So I am very happy every time I get an email from a senior-level male banker that tells me how impacted they were by my work because I really set out to make a solution that would reach people who might not have gone looking for it on their own. That was really the inspiration that came from my friend Matt. You are a successful business leader. Which three character traits do you think were most instrumental to your success? Can you please share a story or example for each? First, I feel like I should caveat my answers. The three I’m going to give you are the ones that are helping me on my current path, but certainly were not the ones that I was using in my previous professional incarnation. The first trait is to be willing to be wrong. Meaning that if you can’t accept when you’re wrong, you can never get to right. This can set you up for failure. Especially if you’re in an entrepreneurial position. It’s important to be convinced of what you’re doing, especially if you’re doing something new on the market. But you must take the feedback that comes from the people interacting with what you’ve made. Especially if you get recurring feedback on the same issue. If you’re open to not knowing the right answer, it creates the conditions for you to actually find the right answer. The second is patience and anyone who knows me will laugh that I’m saying this. I have historically NOT been a patient person. At all. However, the last few years, where I had to intentionally impose moving slowly on myself, have taught me the importance of taking your time. I know this is the opposite of most trends in the world right now, but time and patience give us the time to thoroughly reflect and not react on a knee-jerk. If I had been in a hurry and pushed things through, my current business would have already failed. The third trait is to be committed to what kind of impact you want to make. I’ve always believed that making money is a byproduct of doing something well, and you do something well when you know where it is that you’re trying to move the needle. When you’re clear on what it is you want to do, you can be open to multiple paths about how you get there. But if you’re committed only to the process, then the outcomes can be many. And not all great. For the benefit of our readers, can you briefly let us know why you are an authority about the topic of burnout? I am living breathing proof that burnout exists and that it can sneak up on you literally overnight. I was a very successful senior manager at one of the most well-known companies in the world and one morning I woke up and couldn’t see out of my right eye. After spending more than a week in the hospital, the doctors gave me a clean bill of health as they were not able to find any correlated illnesses. They ultimately determined that what had happened to me was likely because of my lifestyle; trying to burn the candle at both ends, be the best in several different areas of my life, taking no time for myself, and living in a constant state of physiological stress. After that incident happened in 2015 I had an idea I needed to change. Then Matt’s passing happened in 2016 and that was the push I really needed. I went back to school to dig into stress and how it affects us physically and mentally. I completed a post-graduate program in the Neuroscience & Psychology of Mental Health, where we were taught the neural bases and dynamics of stress and burnout. My mind was blown wide open. There is SO much that we don’t know that we need to know. There are so many behaviors we partake in every day that make our stress worse. This affects both how we feel and our state of health but also affects how we perform at work. Even a minor stress incident can have us showing up to work with reduced mental capacity. I felt almost guilty keeping this information to myself. After that, I was very committed to bringing this information to people like me, who needed it most but didn’t know they did. I went on to complete a Masters of Science in Behavioral & Organizational Psychology and today my full-time work is dedicated to helping employees and organizations combat stress and burnout by dealing with their thoughts, moods, and reactions in real-time. Ok, thank you for all of that. Let’s now shift to the main focus of our interview about beating burnout. Let’s begin with a basic definition of terms so that all of us are on the same page. How do you define a “Burnout”? Can you explain? Burnout is exactly what it sounds like. You literally short circuit. You can switch off, blow out, or slowly fade but what happens is a progressive decrease in physical and emotional energy to face your day-to-day life. That said, I’d like to make two super important points. The first is that there is a tendency to think of burnout as a psychological problem and there is a piece that is psychological, yes. But burnout is very much a physiological issue. The current statistics have 80% of doctor visits as stress-related. This is because stress involves, and impacts, pretty much every system in our body. So there is a domino, or knock-on, effect for well-being. For example, stress has been connected to illnesses such as IBS, diabetes, and Multiple Sclerosis. These are all very different illnesses with very different symptoms and systems. What they have in common is that — through the domino effect of stress — they are secondary effect illnesses that stem from unchecked primary stress responses. Think of it as a faucet being left open. Sooner or later it doesn’t just overflow, it ruins the hardwood floors, the neighbor’s ceilings, and stains the walls. So it is a mistake to think about burnout as someone not being able to hack it anymore. There are real physiological problems that come from not knowing how to effectively manage stress. The second point I would like to make is that burnout doesn’t always happen to people who are angry, sad, or tired of their work. I absolutely adored my job. Probably too much. I pushed myself every day — physically, creatively, mentally, personally, etc and one day my body just said “that’s enough”. In the same way car engines lose power over time through use, if we don’t care for ourselves, in the right way, every day it is entirely possible that one day we wake up and our engine just doesn’t turn on. How would you define or describe the opposite of burnout? I think a lot of people would answer that the opposite of burnout is a flow state, where you’re alive and engaged. But, I don’t know that there is an opposite of burnout. As I mentioned before, you can be very happy in your job, present in your life, and in your work and still suffer burnout. I think of burnout more as a destination, someplace we end up that we did not intend to. It’s more like a couple of wrong turns on our journey forward and we find ourselves in someplace unexpected and unwanted. To me, the opposite of burnout is really a person who is knowledgeable about stress and self-care and has a healthy routine of taking care of their bodies, their energy, their boundaries, their time, and their emotional self-regulation. This might be intuitive to you, but it will be instructive to expressly articulate this. Some skeptics may argue that burnout is a minor annoyance and we should just “soldier on’’ and “grin and bear it.” Can you please share a few reasons why burnout can have long-term impacts on our individual health, as well as the health and productivity of our society? As I mentioned before there is an enormous physiological component to burnout. At the very least, the person is dealing with adrenal fatigue, where the adrenal glands are overworked and at such a high plateau of cortisol that they can’t make enough to give you that push you need to get out of the bed in the morning. This is what is happening when we wake up and we’re still tired and the first thing we say to ourselves is “I don’t know if I can do this”. When someone gets to this stage, pushing more is almost a guarantee that a full-on burnout is around the corner. Not only will this then have an impact on their physical health, their work performance, and their personal life but it takes a long time to recover. We don’t just snap back from burnout. There is no quick fix. The body needs to reset. That takes time. This means that employers can lose great employees simply because they pushed themselves too hard. It took me at least a year until I felt in balance again and at the time it was such a strange sensation because it had been so long since I felt that way. Having been running at maximum speed for so long, the sensation of feeling healthy and normal was no longer real to me. I had gotten used to the overdrive and that felt normal. Until my body let me know in no uncertain terms that it was not. From your experience, perspective, or research, what are the main causes of burnout? I’ve written and spoken extensively about this topic. I dug into the existing research on the topic and there is no smoking gun. There is some evidence that there may be a predisposition based on personality. There are four personality types that can be at a greater risk of being susceptible to burnout. I call them the Type A, The CareGiver, The Emotional Dissonant, and The Emotionally Unaware. There’s a full article on my website that goes into the details of each. Some professions may be at higher risk, such as teaching, nursing, healthcare, and people in the service industries. A Forbes article from August 2020 found that “Knowledge Workers” or rather people whose professional output is dependent on the quality of their thinking may be more at risk for burnout. The truth is that any one of us can burn out. With the right combination of events, behaviors, and context we can all find ourselves having a burnout moment. For some it might take ten years to mature, for others, it could take two. I speak to a lot of young women working in startups and I’m shocked at the pace of life that they’re living. The issue here is also that when we push ourselves to this kind of limit, we have to be careful forever. Think of an athlete with an injury. They may be able to play again, but they’re always going to have to be careful about where they injured themselves. Frequently the injury repeats itself. But back to the original question; what are the behaviors that can lead to burnout? Well, it’s a bit of a perfect storm made up of a mix of any one of the following: lack of emotional intelligence and the ability to identify how you are feeling in the moment; an unhealthy diet; lack of exercise; highly stressful environment; prolonged exposure to stress; lack of sleep; lack of a support system; personal trauma; absence of inspiration; overworking; lack of self-care routine; high external pressure or emotional expectation, and so on. You may have noticed that I used the word lack repeatedly. We burn out because we don’t give ourselves what we need while we take on harmful stress. The equation is that simple. Fantastic. Here is the main question of our discussion. What can an individual do if they are feeling burned out by work? How does one reverse it? How can you “get your mojo back?” Can you please share your “5 Things You Should Do If You Are Experiencing Work Burnout?”. (Please share a story or an example for each.) So again, it depends on the root cause of the burnout and the advice is not a one-size-fits-all. What an “overworker” should do will look very different than what an “uninspired” should do. That said, here are the tips that I took to recover. - Learn to recognize how you are feeling. If you don’t know what feeling good feels like, you can’t know what feeling bad feels like. If you can’t remember what it feels like to be calm and relaxed, it will be difficult to call that feeling up when you need it. So the first step is to start to build a very healthy conversation with your own body and your state of being. When you’re happy, take note of it. Pay attention to how you feel; how does your energy feel, how do your shoulders feel, how does your stomach feel, etc. When you are angry, where does it show up in your body; your face, your hands? When you’re overwhelmed or stressed, how does it show up for you? How does your behavior change while you’re under stress? This ability to identify your state is the absolute first step to being able to shift out of feeling stressed. It has to be acknowledged first. - Know what your triggers are and accept them. We can actively put ourselves into situations that we know are going to cause ourselves stress and we do so without any thought about it. Knowing what situations make us unhappy, cause us anxiety, or threaten our well-being allows us to be able to observe our reactions, but also create a proactive strategy for how to respond when, and if, it happens. If we know we’re inevitably going to be stressed by an interaction with someone, we can prepare ourselves beforehand. We can find explanations for other people’s behaviors before we encounter them. For example, if we know that our boss tends to lash out, we can prepare for it by cognitively reframing our boss’s actions in a way that takes the pressure off of us. We can tell ourselves that it’s more about the boss than about us. This detachment allows our body to react differently. The more we can prepare, the less we’re susceptible to the stress response. - Do things that make you happy. Most of our life is framed in our minds as things we “have” to do. We have to go to work, have to go to a meeting, have to see a friend for dinner, have to go to the family’s this weekend. Thinking about things in this way creates a sensation of being powerless and being at the mercy of the world around us. When we identify things that make us happy….and then actually give ourselves those things, these are pure moments of self-care. But hold on, research shows that, despite what we might think, retail therapy is not a thing. You may feel happy at the moment of purchase, but it will be short-lived. Experiences, conversations, going somewhere you want, reaching out to people you care about, or even simply time alone (hello…long shower) can offer more prolonged feelings of satisfaction. The ideal is researching something you want to do, making a plan to make it happen, and then going through with that plan. This little recipe offers three different levels of personal joy that have all been scientifically proven as best practices to make us happy and reduce stress. As a disclaimer here, it’s best to leave alcohol out of these moments of self-care as alcohol tampers with our mood systems and hormone regulation, so our emotional response, and the benefits we get from it, isn’t as genuine as it would be if we were drug/alcohol-free. - As boring as it may sound: eat healthily, exercise, avoid caffeine & alcohol, and get good sleep. It’s so banal and yet it’s the absolute best advice I can give. What you eat directly impacts your mood state and the way your body functions. Eating healthy allows the body to function at its best. In the battle against stress, it’s the difference between sending a soldier out with shoddy armor or making sure they’re able to fight at their best. Exercise helps directly metabolize cortisol, which helps reduce stress levels and staves off some of those secondary collateral illnesses. Caffeine and alcohol mess with the body’s systems and can cause hormonal imbalances. The liver metabolizes alcohol first because it’s a toxin. This means that cortisol and other hormonal metabolization moves to the back of the line. This directly impacts your mood states and how the body functions…including weight management. Finally sleep is absolutely crucial. A poor night’s sleep can cause us to work as if we had 5–8 points less IQ. It also causes us to be in foul moods which makes us more susceptible to stress and more reactionary in our responses. - Learn to say no. The people in our lives don’t really love it when we start putting up boundaries and enforcing them, but this is one of the most important things you can do to stave off burnout. Don’t want to go out? Don’t go. Don’t want to have brunch with the family? Don’t go. Need to leave work but someone has asked you to stay later? Say no. Learning to draw boundaries that respect your energetic and emotional state will give you the time and space to refuel. The more your body gets what it needs, the better you’ll feel. What can concerned friends, colleagues, and life partners do to help someone they care about reverse burnout? Put as little pressure on the person as possible. Calling 100 times to check in on them may be making situations worse. Throwing problems on to the person will only increase their stress. A burnout person needs a support system, on their own time. Trying to force assistance will cause more harm than good. This doesn’t mean that you can’t offer, it means that you have to let the burnout person decide. I recently had a friend who I sensed was nearing burnout. I asked her how she felt about a spa weekend away from work, family, and routine. We went for 2 days to a nearby town and just walked, talked, ate, and relaxed. While 48 hours like this isn’t enough to heal the person, it is enough to give them a breath of oxygen and space. Sometimes burnout can feel like you’re suffocating and just a moment of being able to breathe, free of external pressures, provides a well-needed change of scenery. What can employers do to help their staff reverse burnout? The best employers understand that this is a systemic issue. Yes, it’s great to provide employees access to vital learning about stress and emotion regulations skills, but the pressure of healing burnout cannot be entirely on the employee’s shoulders. The employer must also look at the environment and make changes and interventions at the root. I’ve seen companies lose great employees because the environment was unhealthy. Finding great talent these days is no easy feat. There is ample evidence that shows that it’s very costly to replace any employee. In the case of a stellar employee, it could be priceless. Making simple, but necessary, changes to a work environment may seem impossible or challenging right now, but it will absolutely be demanded in the future. The incoming generations don’t see it as a benefit, they see it as a baseline. Employers should be looking into job flexibility, in terms of time and location of work. They should be looking into giving employees some degree of freedom or power on how their job unfolds every day. Employers should also be training their managers in stress and emotion regulation. There’s evidence that the managers set the tone for many people. When managers learn how to emotionally self-regulate, improvement is seen throughout their entire team; both in terms of productivity and morale. Too often managers are put into positions without receiving adequate training on how to manage people; meaning how to inspire, how to handle conflict, how to avoid communication issues, etc. These are absolutely fundamental skills in keeping the morale of a team high and yet very few managers are actively trained in these skills. In a study I did for my own company, one of the top reasons people left their job was because of the environment. That’s 100% fixable with the right tools and the right formation. These ideas are wonderful, but sadly they are not yet commonplace. What strategies would you suggest to raise awareness about the importance of supporting the mental wellness of employees? Learning. Plain and simple. If you don’t know how the pieces of the car work, you’re always going to have to rely on external intervention. Until we all learn how our body’s stress response works, where we make things worse, how to stop it in real-time, and how to be able to stay centered in stressful situations in a healthy way then we’re just putting band-aids on the problem. Organizations need to start talking about these topics. Making people aware of the intricacies of how mental health works. This will not only help to destigmatize wellbeing but also help us to both proactively avoid stress and know how to deal with it efficiently and healthily when it comes up. What are a few of the most common mistakes you have seen people make when they try to reverse burnout in themselves or others? What can they do to avoid those mistakes? They think that it’s a quick fix. “I just need a weekend and then I’ll be good as new.” It took months/years to get where you are, it takes about that to undo it. So people need patience and constancy in self-care behaviors to come back from burnout. Ok, we are nearly done. You are a person of great influence. If you could inspire a movement that would bring the most amount of good for the greatest number of people, what would that be? You never know what your idea can trigger. This might sound banal, but I’m doing it. I genuinely believe that the more that people understand how their stress response works the faster we can work to tackle the burnout epidemic. It’s not a hard thing to avoid, but you have to know what you’re looking for. Right now, so many of us willingly, but unwittingly, take part in seemingly simple behaviors that are actually making us more unwell every day. I also believe that this kind of information — the dynamics of emotions and stress and how to emotionally self-regulate — should be taught in school from an early age. We are very blessed that some of the biggest names in Business, VC funding, Sports, and Entertainment read this column. Is there a person in the world, or in the US, whom you would love to have a private breakfast or lunch with, and why? He or she might just see this, especially if we both tag them :-) Yes, I would love to have lunch with Dr. Lisa Feldman Barrett from Northeastern University. She has done some groundbreaking work on the connection between the brain and emotions and I would feel like a kid in a candy shop just to get to discuss that with her. How can our readers further follow your work online? They can check out Moodally at www.moodally.com, on Facebook or Instagram at moodally.wellness, or find both Moodally and myself on LinkedIn. Thank you for these really excellent insights, and we greatly appreciate the time you spent with this. We wish you continued success and good health!
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